Why I WON'T Bother with buying a Pre - Page 2 - Treo Forum

skoenig · 05-11-2009, 11:22 PM

I hear you... if I'd held my breath since my 700p I wouldn't be here.

The problem has been compounded by some factors outside Palm's control but the things inside their control have been allowed to slip with lack of direction or just the plain wrong direction *cough* fooleo *cough*.

~ Steph

TazUk · 05-12-2009, 05:14 AM

I actually thought the Foleo idea was a good one, which has been borne out by the success of netbooks, the problem was with it's implementation and the way in which they were trying to sell it.

skoenig · 05-13-2009, 12:56 AM

I don't disagree with the Foleo/Netbook comparison but I think Foleo wasn't thought out all the way and meanwhile the Treo line was underdeveloping and there was no movement on their OS (other than bring out more WM devices).

Comparing the specs though and intended uses it's clear the Foleo is anemic compared to a Netbook (granted it was a year earlier than the first MSI Wind) and has a very narrow intended use.

~Steph

consultnga · 05-18-2009, 08:00 AM

I've heard it said that because Palm is a small company as compared to Apple, they are slower to innovate.
The opposite should be true.
I've been a user of palm products since the original palm pilot. Which is why I have stuck with them so long.
There were then as they are now a small player compared to some, but back in the early days they used that to their advantage. Out the door with innovative products while the larger companies held committee meetings and focus groups to determine if there was a market.
I suppose as they got larger they started doing the same thing which has really hurt them these last few years.
I'm no big fan of Apple and their "My way or the highway" thinking. But they do spark innovation which is the key all along.

While the Pre will be easy to program for, I doubt that Palm's store will ever catch up to Apples iTunes for application software. And heaven forbid they continue to current pricing that is killing them.

I'm reluctant to leave Palm and I've never had any problems with Sprint. But in my heart I know the iPhone will continue to receive useful updates while Palm may use its smaller size as an excuse to be very slow with updates. I hope I'm wrong. I really do hate leaving and AT&T's plans are more expensive.

Perhaps I'll take a wait and see attitude until the end of the year and continue to hold on to my Centro until then.

TazUk · 05-18-2009, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by consultnga

But in my heart I know the iPhone will continue to receive useful updates while Palm may use its smaller size as an excuse to be very slow with updates.

There is a major update for the iPhone coming soon, known as v3.0, but some of the features it brings are things which many believe should have been there from the start. Things like cut'n'paste, MMS support, video recording, being able to send an SMS to multiple recipients, etc. Sure the iPhone gave the smartphone market a much needed kick up the backside, but it wasn't the all encompassing product that it maybe should have been.

kraski · 05-18-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfa02

Oh I agree totally they missed the boat on the pro. best Buy has anniounced that they will offer vthe pro with a 2 yr ATT contract as a suported/certified device but not officially subsidized for $249.00. They could and should have done that a long time ago.

It certainly would have saved me some $.

And I agree with some other comments in this thread about the Treo Pro being an excellent phone. Which brings me to the 5 reasons I'm not buying a Pre anytime soon.

1) it's not GSM,
2) it's on Sprint,
3) I own a Treo Pro,
4) it's not GSM, and
5) it's on Sprint.

Seriously, GSM is a world standard. I no longer buy any phone that isn't quad band GSM, triband 3G.

Second, Sprint's nonmetropolitan coverage has been an issue anywhere I've traveled with friends in the US.

Third, Windows Mobile, Blackberry, Symbian, etc. have a solid app base. It's going to take the Pre some time to catch up both with the galaxy of entertainment/fun stuff on the iPhone and the universe of productivity stuff for Symbian, Blackberry & WinMo smartphones. Till that's been at least somewhat accomplished, I've got no real reason to jump ship from a great phone that does what I want.

drfrog · 05-18-2009, 02:35 PM

I certainly would consider switching to the Pre...but since I finally found a phone that does everything I need a phone to do, and does it well now that the ringer and notification issues are gone, it doesnt make sense to switch at this time.....I think I will wait some time and see how the Pre checks out before thinking of changing again! I think Sprint and others need to change a lot of their ways if they want to keep customers, and I want to see if they do so once Pre comes out.

TazUk · 05-18-2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraski

1) it's not GSM,
2) it's on Sprint,
3) I own a Treo Pro,
4) it's not GSM, and
5) it's on Sprint.

Seriously, GSM is a world standard. I no longer buy any phone that isn't quad band GSM, triband 3G.

There is a GSM version of the Pre but it will be released after the CMDA/Sprint version

jfa02 · 05-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kraski

It certainly would have saved me some $.

And I agree with some other comments in this thread about the Treo Pro being an excellent phone. Which brings me to the 5 reasons I'm not buying a Pre anytime soon.

1) it's not GSM,
2) it's on Sprint,
3) I own a Treo Pro,
4) it's not GSM, and
5) it's on Sprint.

Seriously, GSM is a world standard. I no longer buy any phone that isn't quad band GSM, triband 3G.

Second, Sprint's nonmetropolitan coverage has been an issue anywhere I've traveled with friends in the US.

Third, Windows Mobile, Blackberry, Symbian, etc. have a solid app base. It's going to take the Pre some time to catch up both with the galaxy of entertainment/fun stuff on the iPhone and the universe of productivity stuff for Symbian, Blackberry & WinMo smartphones. Till that's been at least somewhat accomplished, I've got no real reason to jump ship from a great phone that does what I want.

I agree with you wholeheartedly except that I would have 6,7,8,9. and 10 the same as 1,2,4 and 5!!!

Treotosh · 05-18-2009, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfa02

I agree with you wholeheartedly except that I would have 6,7,8,9. and 10 the same as 1,2,4 and 5!!!

Yup, if the Pre ever came to at&t i would buy it in a heart beat. But i found someone thats selling a treo 680 copper! and buying it tommorrow!

05-11-2009, 11:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
skoenig Administrator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles My Treo: Treo 700p My Carrier: Sprint My OS: XP Posts: 1,782 Thanks: 103 Thanked 152 Times in 99 Posts	I hear you... if I'd held my breath since my 700p I wouldn't be here. The problem has been compounded by some factors outside Palm's control but the things inside their control have been allowed to slip with lack of direction or just the plain wrong direction cough fooleo cough. ~ Steph __________________ IIIe > V > [wilderness] > 650 > 700p > 680 \| Sprint \| Subscribe to the newsletters!

05-12-2009, 05:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
TazUk Mostly harmless Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kent, UK My Treo: Treo Pro My Carrier: Vodaphone My OS: XP Posts: 4,432 Thanks: 243 Thanked 629 Times in 476 Posts	I actually thought the Foleo idea was a good one, which has been borne out by the success of netbooks, the problem was with it's implementation and the way in which they were trying to sell it. __________________ Treo 180 > Treo 270 > Treo 650 > Treo 750v > Treo Pro "Going to church no more makes you a christian than sleeping in your garage makes you a car." *Garrison Keillor*

05-13-2009, 12:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
skoenig Administrator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles My Treo: Treo 700p My Carrier: Sprint My OS: XP Posts: 1,782 Thanks: 103 Thanked 152 Times in 99 Posts	I don't disagree with the Foleo/Netbook comparison but I think Foleo wasn't thought out all the way and meanwhile the Treo line was underdeveloping and there was no movement on their OS (other than bring out more WM devices). Comparing the specs though and intended uses it's clear the Foleo is anemic compared to a Netbook (granted it was a year earlier than the first MSI Wind) and has a very narrow intended use. ~Steph __________________ IIIe > V > [wilderness] > 650 > 700p > 680 \| Sprint \| Subscribe to the newsletters!

05-18-2009, 08:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
consultnga A Few Questions.... Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgia My Treo: Palm pre My Carrier: Sprint My OS: Vista Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lack of Innovation I've heard it said that because Palm is a small company as compared to Apple, they are slower to innovate. The opposite should be true. I've been a user of palm products since the original palm pilot. Which is why I have stuck with them so long. There were then as they are now a small player compared to some, but back in the early days they used that to their advantage. Out the door with innovative products while the larger companies held committee meetings and focus groups to determine if there was a market. I suppose as they got larger they started doing the same thing which has really hurt them these last few years. I'm no big fan of Apple and their "My way or the highway" thinking. But they do spark innovation which is the key all along. While the Pre will be easy to program for, I doubt that Palm's store will ever catch up to Apples iTunes for application software. And heaven forbid they continue to current pricing that is killing them. I'm reluctant to leave Palm and I've never had any problems with Sprint. But in my heart I know the iPhone will continue to receive useful updates while Palm may use its smaller size as an excuse to be very slow with updates. I hope I'm wrong. I really do hate leaving and AT&T's plans are more expensive. Perhaps I'll take a wait and see attitude until the end of the year and continue to hold on to my Centro until then.

05-18-2009, 02:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
drfrog Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: California :( My Treo: Treo Pro My Carrier: Sprint My OS: XP Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Staying with the Pro I certainly would consider switching to the Pre...but since I finally found a phone that does everything I need a phone to do, and does it well now that the ringer and notification issues are gone, it doesnt make sense to switch at this time.....I think I will wait some time and see how the Pre checks out before thinking of changing again! I think Sprint and others need to change a lot of their ways if they want to keep customers, and I want to see if they do so once Pre comes out.

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